Today we can tell you what really happened at Caravan Stockholm 2018, when the company Svea Husbilar claimed they were kicked out and launched the film "SCANDAL"! We have gathered information from many different sources and today we present the whole story.
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This week's 'digging'
It all started when Svea Husbilar was not allowed to participate in the Caravan Stockholm fair and released a startling video that they called "SCANDAL", which was widely shared on social media. We started digging into the story and started with the post The motorhome industry - what happens behind the scenes?
As we kept digging, we realised that very often it is "The lid of the" in the motorhome industry. It doesn't matter whether customers try to make their voices heard on the companies' own websites or in (some of) the various motorhome groups on Facebook - everything is effectively silenced.
How has the "digging" gone this week? We have already talked to Svea Husbilar, and we have a lot of information left from this meeting to tell you about. We were also contacted this week by the Caravan Stockholm fair. They did not have any new information for us, but we want to give them an honour for contacting us!
In addition to this, we have read all the comments that have poured in both on the blog and on Facebook as well as in emails, both from private individuals and from motorhome operators. In addition to receiving a lot of interesting information, we would like to highlight the fact that we received many comments that actually make us believe in a better climate and a more honest and open dialogue! But now it's time: we can tell you what happened at Caravan Stockholm 2018.
New ideas at Caravan Stockholm 2018
In February this year it was time for Caravan Stockholm to exhibit at Kistamässan in Stockholm. They had worked for a long time to create a really good and eventful weekend, which of course includes a lot of planning and logistics. In addition to presenting interesting exhibitors and speakers, the fair also wanted to offer news, for example in the form of the "Destination Square".
One of the companies that contacted us and wanted to exhibit at the fair was Svea Husbilar, which works with the brokerage of motorhomes and caravans. Since this company does not sell new motorhomes, they did not want to exhibit vehicles but instead tried to think new, which suited the fair perfectly!
svea husbilar would organise the "Milky Way"
Caravan Stockholm and Svea husbilar agreed that Svea would stand outside the fair in an area called "Vintergatan". The fact that it would be a "Winter Street" was the fair's idea. They wanted to come up with news and felt that Svea Husbilar could be open to implementing the idea.
At Vintergatan, visitors to the fair would be able to see Nordic motorhomes, take photos on the red carpet and talk about motorhomes, while Svea would be able to hand out flyers with information about their agency.
Svea Husbilar also produced a film about the fair that reached an impressive 63,000 people in just a few days. This is because Svea Husbilar is a company that thinks outside the box when it comes to marketing, and knows how to use social media. This was an arrangement that felt right both for the fair and for Svea Motorhomes, a win-win. But ... not everyone thought so.
Extortion from motorhome companies
Not everyone liked the concept of the Milky Way and the red carpet. Some other motorhome companies said that it would look like Svea Husbilar was hosting the fair, and that it would be strange if all the visitors had to pass them before entering the entrance.
Other comments suggested that Caravan Stockholm is a "new car fair" and that companies that sell motorhomes do not belong there. In addition, Svea Husbilar was criticised for being "grey importers" of motorhomes, a claim that they themselves strongly reject as incorrect.
We all know that it all ended with Svea Husbilar being told a few weeks before the opening of the fair that they could not participate. It wasn't just that they couldn't stand outside the fair. According to Svea Husbilar, they did not receive an offer to stand elsewhere at the fair.
On the other hand, they were offered a free place at the fishing fair (at the fishing fair!?). The Erwin Hymer Group was not interested in participating if Svea Husbilar would participate in the way it was intended.
Is it true that the Erwin Hymer Group sets the rules on how marketing should be done? As we have understood, it is important not to stand out, or to go outside the framework set by the market's leaders. Who controls the rulers? Money rules, of course, and if you look at the picture below, it is easy to see that the fair would not have been possible without the exhibitors from the Erwin Hymer group.
Are the criticisms reasonable?
It is quite obvious that Svea Husbilar was cancelled from the fair due to blackmail from other companies. The purely legal aspects of this, and whether one company wants to sue another, we leave that to the companies. However, we want to take a closer look at the criticism Svea Husbilar received. Was it perhaps reasonable for them not to participate in the fair?
1. "It would look like they were hosts"
If Svea Husbilar were to stand outside the fair, they could be perceived as hosts of the entire fair, according to some. One reader writes: "Like Volvo having a stand outside the Geneva Fair, so that everyone passing by has to pass their 'stand' to be able to look at other cars. I don't think that would be appreciated by the other car brands."
Another reader does not see anything strange about a company standing outside the exhibition centre, but writes "What is described occurs very often at trade fairs in various industries. That is, exhibitors stand outdoors, even at the entrance. So nothing strange about it! It's good for the organiser to also be able to use the premises outdoors!"
Another reader believes that other factors are behind the criticism: "Do you mean that customers find it difficult to distinguish between the exhibitor (Svea) and the fair organiser? Should Svea be penalised for rethinking how they wanted to position themselves? Could it be that the attractive places inside the fair are booked by the same brands year after year? The fear of competition shines through and this does not favour the end customer!"
2. "Caravan Stockholm is a new car show"
A recurring comment is that Caravan Stockholm is a "new car fair" and that companies that sell motorhomes therefore do not belong at the fair. One reader, representing a company that exhibited at the fair, writes "The purpose of the Kista fair is to present new motorhomes. Svea does not sell new motorhomes, which means that their presence can be questioned on natural grounds."
Nowhere on Caravan Stockholm's website does it say that the fair is specifically a new car fair. The fact that the fair wanted to cooperate with Svea Husbilar also shows that this cannot be the case. In addition, there are many other exhibitors at the fair than new car companies: everything from campsites and destinations to motorhome magazines and bloggers.
The fair's website states that "Caravan Stockholm is the fair for those who are curious about the mobile lifestyle and interested in caravans, motorhomes and camping! Here you can compare, touch and feel different brands, models and equipment, discover exciting travel destinations and get tips from experts."
3. "Svea Motorhomes are grey importers"
The third criticism is that Svea Husbilar is a "grey importer". Grey imports is a term that in this case refers to companies that import motorhomes or caravans from other countries without selling them through a Swedish authorised dealer.
If we understand everything correctly, this is perfectly legal if the import takes place within the EU, but involves some differences when it comes to things like how to deal with VAT and warranty errors etc. This is a complex (and interesting!) issue of its own that we plan to write about next Sunday. So, what about Svea and grey imports?
We have of course asked Svea Husbilar and they say that they do not work with grey imports. According to the company, they imported four motorhomes (two of them new) when they started their business in 2016. However, they decided in 2017 not to import any more motorhomes. Today, they do not import any vehicles except for possible trade-ins in case of export (which happened once, when they exported a motorhome to Denmark). They also have customers from Åland, where they help with the registration in Sweden.
What do you think?
Do you think this is about extortion, cartelisation or just plain old business deals? What do you think about what is happening in the industry and what changes would you like to see? We are raising these questions because we think it is important to have an open and constructive dialogue. As always, we are interested in your thoughts and opinions! Write freely in the comments section (you can remain anonymous if you wish). Please note that your comment may need to be approved before it becomes visible.
Don't miss next Sunday when we will be writing about grey imports of motorhomes and caravans!
Solan says:
Interesting and good that you have taken the shovel and dug into the mess. However, I don't understand the term "grey imports". Makes me think of something borderline illegal. ?
18 March 2018 - 7:55
Linuz says:
Hello!!! A strange name for a "non-illegal" import from the EU ?
Surely a better and more accurate name would be 'side imports'?
18 March 2018 - 11:25
skirt says:
I have bought new caravans in Germany, so I don't have to pay VAT, I only pay 19% German VAT.
But then it always says private import on the registration certificate, why should that stamp follow the vehicle, could possibly apply until the warranty period is over, but with the warranty I could go into all hobby workshops in Europe but not in Sweden, it is so stubborn here, and I will avoid shopping here.
19 March 2018 - 19:24
Anonymous says:
Thank you for digging. So it's about general agents being terrified that someone will come up with the idea of cutting a link between producer and consumer. SVEA does not even have that as a business idea. But the very idea scares the pants off Erwin Hymer Group AB. Time to show consumer power.
18 March 2018 - 8:52
Monica Reigard says:
Yes, exactly.
So for me, thumbs down for Erwin Hymer Group AB.
18 March 2018 - 10:48
Anonymous says:
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18 March 2018 - 15:01
Anonymous says:
Cutting a joint?
Ordinary procedure
Factory - Importer Dealer - Customer
Factory - German dealer - Svea Husbilar - Customer
How do you mean it cuts a path?
21 March 2018 - 10:50
Christian says:
Ambitious digging! Fun reading!
18 March 2018 - 8:57
Otherwise says:
Then it was as we suspected from the beginning that they were thrown out under pressure from one of the major competitors. It was obviously not an easy situation for Caravan Stockholm when they received this demand from the Erwin Hymer group, the loss of their participation would obviously be troublesome.
On the other hand, I strongly doubt that it would have carried out the boycott. How would they have explained it to their customers who booked the fair to visit them? "We didn't bother because we didn't like having a competitor at the entrance..."?
I think this will backfire on both Caravan Stockholm and Hymer. Personally, I will consider whether I will favour either of them in the future.
Again, very good that you dug into this! ?
18 March 2018 - 8:58
Mickey says:
From the perspective of the article above, this must be a classic example of how money and size rule. A creative upstart like Svea Husbilar gets the boot in the neck and is pushed down by the giant with the largest floor space and who probably pays the least (or nothing) for its participation in the Kista Fair. "We are the ones who attract visitors and provide the ticket revenue..." Mafia-like methods. Absolutely. Quite common behaviour in Swedish business - I think.
18 March 2018 - 9:02
M says:
As far as I know, Nordic motorhomes were outside the entrance this year! How do you explain that?
18 March 2018 - 9:20
Mr Mike says:
Sad and immature behaviour of the Hymer group. Too bad they don't have the balls to answer your questions. Everyone can make mistakes, but only the strongest are able to stand up and admit they made a mistake.
18 March 2018 - 9:22
Kalle says:
We do not own a Hymer group vehicle and will not consider buying one.
But the fair was missing several brands, so something is a bit strange about this fair. Will it return next year?
18 March 2018 - 9:24
Anonymous says:
Yes, but as Hymer Caravan Stockholm 2019!
23 March 2018 - 21:24
Matts Torebring says:
Very interesting. It shows which group you should not buy your leisure products from. Large groups should not control the development of the market. This also happens in many other areas, such as food.
18 March 2018 - 9:28
Totte says:
Well done!
In addition to the fact that the fair and Hymer Group have made a big mistake, it would be interesting to know which groups on Facebook are participating in this cover-up. They too must be brought out of the shadows.
18 March 2018 - 9:33
Anonymous says:
The largest group, with the acronym HCF, does not allow comments or links on this.
18 March 2018 - 22:01
Anonymous says:
HCF?
18 March 2018 - 22:57
Mr Mike says:
Caravan and camping enthusiasts I think they mean.
19 March 2018 - 22:48
Kurt says:
Great, dig in.
The national caravan industry association, where the 'cartel' is gathered.
This organisation is behind "The industry agreement covers contractual and delivery conditions for caravans and motorhomes. It also covers the caravan and motorhome guarantee"
The agreement is made with the Swedish Consumer Agency.
18 March 2018 - 9:41
Pile says:
Of the companies you list in the caption, the following are NOT part of the Erwin Hymer Group: Elnagh, Mobilvetta and Benimar (Trigano group; P.L.A. (Rapido group); Knaus and Weinsberg (http Investments); Hobby, Bravia and Polar (independent manufacturers). Several of the EHG companies did NOT exhibit at the fair. The picture and caption are therefore SIGNIFICANTLY MISLEADING!
18 March 2018 - 9:47
Helena says:
Absolutely right! We apologise a thousand times for a mistake. The dealers marked with arrows in the picture sell all these brands and they were on these stands at the show, but not all the brands are part of the Hymer group. However, it was wrong in the way we wrote it and we have immediately corrected it.
18 March 2018 - 10:02
Mr Andreas says:
Knaus, Weinsberg, Hobby and Polar do not belong to Hymer, as stated in the caption.
18 March 2018 - 10:05
Helena says:
Absolutely correct, and this is already fixed. I apologise a thousand times for getting it wrong in the first place! These brands are sold by the same dealers in the marked stands, but are not part of the Hymer group.
18 March 2018 - 10:09
Mr Olov niska says:
A good new approach. Good that you are checking. Too bad that good intentions are destroyed because of fear of competition. Now there is a great risk that no one will dare come up with any new proposals. And the fair itself will die.
18 March 2018 - 10:28
Jimmy says:
Think Hymer Group should learn from Svea instead.
18 March 2018 - 11:01
Mr Åke Bylund says:
Could it be that if a visitor comes into contact with Svea and gets help with selling their used motorhome, this could favour Hymer who may sell a new one? Just a thought?
18 March 2018 - 11:34
Tommy Dynér says:
Thank you for a serious and thorough review of what really happened, Thank you.
What happened is not in line with our interest as consumers.
The industry is young, but already shows conservative perceptions, rigidity and fear of innovation.
Thank you for looking after our interests.
18 March 2018 - 12:22
Anonymous says:
After this, we choose not to use EHG brands when we change our leisure vehicles!
18 March 2018 - 12:41
Kenneth Risberg says:
Well done and thank you for lifting the lid.
When I arrived at the fair I saw a Nordic motorhome outside the entrance but I didn't think it would be the host of the fair. Don't buy that reasoning.
18 March 2018 - 14:15
Göran says:
Thank you for clarifying this. Unfortunately, EHG is not strengthening its position in the market; it is just the opposite. I think the management should vacate their positions and replace them with people with new ideas.
18 March 2018 - 17:34
BP says:
That's what I call investigative journalism!
18 March 2018 - 18:22
Hasse says:
I'm glad you took on the task.
18 March 2018 - 18:47
skirt says:
Authorised dealer, is not worth anything, since the 90's I have had 6 new motorhomes, and the dealers can not cooperate with warranty with the same brand, have a new motorhome now that I wanted my nearest dealer to bring home to me, I know that it was at the factory, when I asked after a few weeks when the car comes, it turned out that he did not take me seriously (although I have previously bought 3 new ones and the cars were now out of stock at the factory, because of this I had to travel 35 miles to another dealer when I now use the same car.seriously (although I have previously bought 3 new ones from that company) and that the cars were now out of stock at the factory, because of this I had to travel 35 miles to another dealer and buy a similar car, when I now use the car it turns out to be some small defects, but my nearest dealer refuses to fix it, but he says go to where you bought it, although it is the same brand, they can not cooperate, but I have to travel for thousands of dollars.
This will probably be my last motorhome bought in Sweden and Svea is happy to make a brokerage proposal.
I have had many cars and the warranty works perfectly wherever I am in the EU.
Why doesn't this work for motorhomes, but Fiat is always there for you when it comes to the car part...?
18 March 2018 - 19:03
Svea Motorhomes says:
Hi Kjell.
We are happy to help you sell your motorhome.
Read more about our popular brokerage service here:
http://www.sveahusbilar.se/saljuppdrag/
You are also welcome to contact us with questions.
We wish you a pleasant week ahead.
Regards
John Lönnqvist
Founders & Co-owners - Svea Husbilar
Mail: john.lonnqvist@sveahusbilar.se
Tel: 0707702098
19 March 2018 - 15:21
skirt says:
The car is new / nov/ gone 250 miles
Has cost me 748000 with alarm + winter tyres do you buy? I live near sandared.
19 March 2018 - 19:42
Svea Motorhomes says:
Hi Kjell.
Please contact us and let's talk more.
Regards
/ Team Svea Motorhomes
30 May 2018 - 18:39
Anonymous says:
I also have my first motorhome, myself personally for my own use, "grey imported" in 2012 from Germany. Looking forward to the next post, will read it with interest.
18 March 2018 - 20:38
Travel Linda says:
Impressive job you did with the digging. Too bad you can't handle competition or whatever it is you're afraid of?
18 March 2018 - 22:23
Ulla Widing says:
Well done Helena and Peter, keep going if you can! Looking forward to the next post ...
18 March 2018 - 23:37
Knut says:
EHG AB represents some of the brands of the global Hymer Group AG, but by no means all. N+B is one of the larger brands that have other channels into Sweden.
But this kind of blackmail tends to backfire, there was a similar case many years ago with one of the largest importers at the Norwegian fair in August. An importer was demanded to be banned otherwise this importer would not be at the fair with the biggest stand, but the fair organiser pointed out that they were bound to pay for the stand whether they came or not 😀.
Few other than those involved knew anything about what happened, so I have anonymised it all here.
19 March 2018 - 4:40
Mr Steve says:
Wow, wow, wow! There are a lot of sore toes in that industry.
The words that come to mind are EMBARRASSING and TRUTH LEVEL.
Working like this is a great way to get people to give up their motorhome.
In order to achieve a healthier motorhome industry, we need someone who dares to lift the veil.
Good work by you!
19 March 2018 - 7:17
Mr Lars Jönsson says:
Great report. That money controls the industry is nothing new, it's always the strong who decides, sad but true. It seems that the motorhome companies only want to sell new because that is what is available, but not all people can afford to buy new, so the idea that Svea Husbilar has is good. In a few years, we will probably see second-hand vehicles at the fairs. You can even attract more visitors to the fairs. The companies that oppose innovation are shooting themselves in the foot.
19 March 2018 - 12:39
Pile says:
Tell me the industry that is NOT driven by money!
23 March 2018 - 8:37
Peter says:
Would be something for the Competition Authority to look at 🙁 Should cost Hymer Group a lot of money!!!! Lovely with your digging work 🙂
19 March 2018 - 13:49
Mr Jakub says:
Thanks for the clarifying digging.Suspected that one of the big dragons was behind the requirement to exclude new thinking that is not part of the cartel!!! Missed several exhibitors from the Stockholm area where I saw that some even ran "open house" at the same time, which is fully understandable.Booked the Kistamässan myself this year ...
19 March 2018 - 14:18
Mr Aidell says:
Good and interesting account.
I think Hymer and others should be ashamed, it is up to the consumer to decide where to buy their motorhome. This cartelisation must stop!
19 March 2018 - 16:55
Otherwise says:
What about grey imports? That's one of the benefits of the EU, I imagine EHG benefits from imports/exports within the EU!
Tragic and sad behaviour of the fair to fall for these pressures, it has been interesting to visit it to "warm up" for the season, unfortunately it's over now, I'm going to visit an event that promotes cartelisation!
I must say that I like your review, it means that when it's time for the next motorhome, you can choose where you want to spend your money!
Keep up the good work!
19 March 2018 - 18:03
Lena - good for the soul says:
Impressive excavation work you have done! This is probably causing quite a stir in this industry. And many will probably realise that the same playground activities are probably going on in other industries too!
Well done!
Hug Lena
19 March 2018 - 19:16
Bertil says:
It should be examined why you are not allowed to criticise caravan and camping enthusiasts on Facebook. What their connection to the industry is.
20 March 2018 - 16:00
Mr Michael says:
Many of these groups have a policy of sending criticism to the company concerned and giving them a chance to comment. HCF, Motorhome Friends and others use this.
Many traders do not follow Facebook groups and therefore do not get a chance to express themselves, but only hear one side of the story. If a disagreement arises and the parties later come to an agreement, it is very rarely reported that the company in question has resolved/explained the reason for the disagreement.
I don't see the point of exhibiting used motorhomes/caravans at a trade fair, a trade fair is there to showcase new products, right?
Regarding Svea's participation in the fair, I can to some extent understand this given that what I understand is not a dealer of any brand, and the fair wants to showcase news. The rest of the story I choose not to have any real opinions about because as I feel, the whole truth has not been revealed. Anyway, Svea has received a huge amount of publicity from this anyway, probably more than they participated in the fair so the Hymer group bit themselves in the tail you could say.
21 March 2018 - 9:28
skirt says:
It would be good if the person who has a used vehicle for sale can stand in a specially signposted parking space, when the car is then sold, be able to go in and buy a new one, preferably someone who helps with writing, maybe Svea can be involved in a corner, maybe you can fix a guarantee via some insurance company as well, then it is easier for the buyer, it works like that on the block.
22 March 2018 - 13:47
Dan Gyll says:
Thank you for writing about this, I personally have doubts about the behaviour of everyone involved. Kista Messe does not dare to stand up to EHG's rather ugly behaviour. What do we do about it? But to buy/sell an RV via Svea Husbilar after seeing their advert where two adult men happily show their naked bottoms in their eagerness to stand out, makes me concerned. Apparently "sandbox behaviour" is the order of the day in the car industry. Let's hope for a change. Can you also find out why a new motorhome is 15% more expensive in Sweden than in Germany? Because I find that hard to understand.
21 March 2018 - 13:17
Dan Gyll says:
Thank you for writing about this, I personally have doubts about the behaviour of everyone involved. Kista Messe does not dare to stand up to EHG's rather ugly behaviour. What do we do about it? But buying/selling a hb via Svea Husbilar after seeing their advert where two adult men happily show their naked bottoms in their eagerness to stand out, also makes me concerned. It is apparently "sandbox behaviour" in the car industry that applies. Let's hope for a change. Can you find out why a new motorhome is 15% more expensive in Sweden than in Germany? Because I find that hard to understand.
21 March 2018 - 13:18
Elisabeth says:
Well dug! Much needed. As so often, big companies and money rule. But consumer power should be able to have an impact. Perhaps some questions for the Consumer Agency?
21 March 2018 - 19:15
Mr Fair says:
Today, Facebook managed to poodle. It's time for Hymer to come clean and admit it made a mistake. Everyone is entitled to make mistakes as long as they are not repeated.
21 March 2018 - 22:24
Mr Rob says:
It will be fun to see what will happen in Jönköping in September?
If Svea is refused, they are welcome at my campsite just outside Jönköping.
23 March 2018 - 11:59
Svea Motorhomes says:
Many thanks Rob for your offer.
There is something strange about Elmia at the moment.
We submitted an application right after the last fair and were informed that they had not yet opened the applications.
Now when we get back to them, they say that they have not received our application and that the fair is full.
So there we are today with that unfortunately! Pretty tiring to fight the dragons!
But we never give up and are stronger than ever.
Have a nice weekend.
/ John Lönnqvist
23 March 2018 - 15:59
Mr Tomas says:
Contact Severin's furniture just before the fair and ask to rent a car park and do some kind of event. They were accommodating in 2012 when we were in the same situation for the Sport Fishing Fair.
26 March 2018 - 18:25
Anki says:
Interesting reading! Very well done!
Wishing you a great weekend!
24 March 2018 - 6:06
Ylvis says:
Very interesting reading, as far as I know there is free competition in our country, so this behaviour of those involved will backfire on themselves.
Have a nice Sunday.
25 March 2018 - 10:29
HARRIS says:
Hello, for me it is unthinkable to buy a European "plywood" motorhome, rather go to the USA and buy a better used A class motorhome with equipment that does not exist in plywood motorhomes such as electric generator washing machine hot air oven separate shower etc. for the easy price of 20,000 dollars the equivalent plywood motorhome would cost ten times as much.
Better a used US campervan than new plywood from the EU.
10 August 2019 - 22:11
Frederick says:
Interesting reading.
Small note that the owners of Svenska husbilsgruppen AB (Svea husbilar) import via another company Camperpro Europe AB.
25 June 2024 - 8:08