Yesterday, we wrote a post with a checklist for (house) car holidays, including some of the rules you need to keep track of regarding road tolls and environmental zones. What we're thinking about today is: Why does it have to be so complicated to drive a motorhome in Europe?
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Is it difficult to drive a motorhome in Europe?
First of all, is it difficult to drive a motorhome in Europe? We haven't found it particularly difficult so far, but firstly we have a motorhome that weighs less than 3.5 tonnes. Secondly, we did our 1 year long motorhome trip in 2015. Since then, it has actually become more complicated.
More countries have introduced vignettes or kilometre counters, and more and more cities are discussing green zones. If you want to know what this is all about, read our post from yesterday:
Why these penalties for diesel cars?
That we should think about and protect our environment is of course important, perhaps even more important than anything else, and it is therefore reasonable to introduce penalties/rewards for poorer or better environmental behaviour. The tricky thing when it comes to motorhomes is that it is there are no alternatives.
Or yes, a new motorhome is better than an old one, but there is no alternative to diesel. If the penalties and restrictions for motorhome owners are so severe that it seems unreasonable to buy a motorhome, what will be the alternative for a holiday... flying? Surely it can't be better?
Why can't the EU agree?
The next question is about the complexity of it all. Let's say that diesel cars have to stay out of certain cities and let's say that you have to get a kilometre counter and pay for it. But does it really have to be a new system in every country? Couldn't we agree within the EU so that it would at least be easy to do the right thing?
As an example, many people plan to travel down to Croatia this spring or summer, and to get to Croatia you need to pass through Austria and Slovenia. Austria has had a payment system for a long time, and Slovenia has introduced theirs relatively recently. In Facebook groups, we've seen and read about people struggling to understand and successfully order what needs to be ordered to pass through Slovenia. And it has apparently not been too easy ...
We ask
Many motorhome owners choose not to fly and drive instead. Motorhome owners stay in Sweden or Europe, often travelling on a relatively small budget. slowly way. Diesel cars are obviously not optimal, but surely it must be even worse if motorhome drivers sell their motorhomes and start flying?
Is it just a populist and politically lucrative idea to stop all diesel cars at all costs? Or is there an idea of what choice motorhome drivers should make instead? We wonder. What do you think?
More about travelling by motorhome in different countries
Want to learn more about travelling with a motorhome in different countries? We have gathered information on travelling by motorhome in some specific countries in Europe:
Lennart says:
One problem is that there are so many of us.
08 April 2018 - 7:58
Helena says:
Yes, that is absolutely true ...
08 April 2018 - 19:12
Johanna in Skåne says:
I think that it is not primarily the motorhomes that are intended to be stopped but the vehicles that emit the most nitrogen oxides and particles in the cities. The fact that there are no motorhomes that do not run on diesel makes it problematic, as you say, to choose a good alternative. Low fuel consumption is of course an advantage of diesel cars, but methods for cleaning what is emitted (nitrogen oxides) would need to be developed (and then there is the issue of testing, which should not be possible for any car manufacturer to cheat on). Complicated with several systems for paying road tolls etc., feels a bit like all the different systems we have in public transport in Sweden... (an app or a card per city/county fills your wallet and phone...).
08 April 2018 - 10:14
Helena says:
What fun (and interesting!) to hear your thoughts on this Johanna! I agree with you that purification methods need to be developed. It feels like the most sensible and reasonable way to go. And you are absolutely right that this with systems that do not match is quite common ... still just as complicated though 😉 Hope all is well with you!
08 April 2018 - 19:14
Johanna in Skåne says:
Good with us and I have been reading up on Malta and Gozo here on the blog as we have a Malta holiday booked this summer?
08 April 2018 - 21:55
Helena says:
How lovely! Malta is super nice! A destination we often think is underestimated.
09 April 2018 - 7:02
skirt says:
The cars that were allegedly cheated on, are still much cleaner than older cars, I had a 2010 diesel that was allegedly cheated on, it was fixed and then it drew three decilitres more per mile, I find it hard to believe that it was better.
09 April 2018 - 11:24
Role o Carina says:
Of course it is unnecessarily bureaucratic and complicated!
Take care......
08 April 2018 - 10:33
Helena says:
It may not be easy for countries to join forces on a system, but it would be much easier for tourists!
08 April 2018 - 19:16
Travel Linda says:
We also got the impression that it can be quite complicated in some countries and wondered why there are so many different laws and regulations. Have understood that it is easier and cheaper with a motorhome under 3.5 tonnes, so we are happy that ours is in this category. Until now, we have only travelled in Norway and Sweden so we have no experience of how complicated it might be yet. We will gather our experiences this summer!
08 April 2018 - 11:39
Helena says:
Don't be discouraged! The advantages definitely outweigh the disadvantages. It's not very complicated, but in some countries you have to check certain things.
08 April 2018 - 19:39
Across the board says:
The whole discussion about diesel cars has become distorted. We should not be discussing car types, we should be discussing fuel. For me, they are two different things. And as far as fuel is concerned, there are different options, including additives and purification for older diesel cars.
08 April 2018 - 11:40
Helena says:
You are right! Makes sense!
08 April 2018 - 19:40
Matts Torebring says:
The biggest problem is the large number of lorries. "Leave the road to us and there's no problem", one lorry driver told me. That's not the way to reason. I don't think it is reasonable that so much, such as vegetables, is transported by car from southern Spain. It was also unfortunate when Austria introduced its payment system for those of us who weigh a little more. Otherwise, we read the regulations and what applies country by country.
08 April 2018 - 17:56
Helena says:
Wow, what a reasoning! Yes, there are many people and many different agendas to be reconciled ...
08 April 2018 - 19:40
skirt says:
Parked at a petrol station in Spain to sleep, but was woken up at 1am and taken away because a driver thought he had more right to the place.
You write weighs a bit more, is it cheaper under 3500?
09 April 2018 - 11:33
BP says:
As I understand it, it is the city centres where you are not allowed to drive old cars that run on diesel, Stockholm city centre is no exception. Then I wonder why all motorhomes seem to run on diesel. It wasn't too long ago (maybe 20 years) when people were encouraged to buy diesel cars. Yes, yes ...
08 April 2018 - 17:56
Helena says:
When it comes to environmental zones, it's cities, yes exactly. The fact that all motorhomes run on diesel is because they are so heavy, I guess. There are motorhomes from the 80's that run on petrol, but then they are like v8 engines, and hardly better from an environmental point of view.
08 April 2018 - 19:42
Only British says:
Well, probably, because diesel has more dangerous particle emissions. Bad not only for the climate but your windpipe.
08 April 2018 - 23:16
skirt says:
I am 80, I have driven a diesel locomotive, which was running all day, today I have both a golf diesel, and a Fiat motorhome 3500 kg, but have no problems with the airways, the problem with motorhomes is that if they are to be equipped with an electric motor as well.
they all end up above 3500kg but most of the miles will be done on diesel while carrying unnecessary weight.
09 April 2018 - 11:14
Annar Aas says:
Sometimes I ask the question, do we have to travel this way (plane, car, bus, camper)? The answer is undoubtedly yes, so we get to know and respect each other. But that's the crux, we need to protect the environment too, not just the community. For myself, I solve it by cycling in the local area and buying locally grown food. We don't need to transport goods and services back and forth. A good shrimp sandwich at the harbour restaurant has shrimps caught off the Norwegian coast - the shrimps are transported to light land and peeled to end up on a sandwich 150 metres from home. Just a small example of madness that affects the environment. Lifting the bike from the motorhome and getting into the city is both healthy and pleasant. Should the wife offer a glass of wine, I can safely thank and accept. We cycle home to the motorhome where we sleep sweetly!
08 April 2018 - 18:19
Helena says:
Everything is complex! I agree that travelling has its advantages. You get to know other cultures and gain understanding. If you think about how you invest your holiday money, you can also help financially. At the same time, there is the environmental aspect. Complex! Cycling and buying locally grown produce are excellent contributions! I think awareness has generally increased, which is a step in the right direction.
08 April 2018 - 19:47
Britt-Marie Lundgren says:
We've been going back and forth on our choice of route for our trip to Croatia.
We will probably take the "non-pay roads" in Austria, but I will try to get an order to pass Slovenia. I have also realised that it is not easy, (but like many other things - how hard can it be')
08 April 2018 - 19:46
Helena says:
Yes, it should of course work! But it is good to be prepared so you can look at it in good time 🙂
09 April 2018 - 7:03
skirt says:
Is it not possible to use non-toll roads everywhere? We travel a lot in France where we follow the BIZ signs.
09 April 2018 - 10:59
Solan says:
Have just looked at "vinigretter" as we call them. We will drive the E43 from Milan to southern Germany. 34 miles pure transport. Costs about 400 sek in Switzerland. Can not solve one-day ticket but this one is enough for a year. Baaahh.
Plus motorway tolls. Feels a bit greedy of ostlander to not have one-day tickets. Incidentally, we rarely drive into city centres with the motorhome so there is no problem with environmental zones ....?
08 April 2018 - 20:33
Johnny Rosenberg says:
Well, the vignettes in Switzerland were a bit expensive because you had to buy them for a whole year. In Austria it was better, as you could buy for 10 days. A bit more tourist-friendly.
08 April 2018 - 23:54
Helena says:
"Vinegrett", haha, it was fun 🙂 Do you have to solve for an entire year? No, it was not exactly tourist-friendly ...
09 April 2018 - 7:05
Only British says:
Johanna in Skåne has summarised it well. As someone who works with the EU's environment, I definitely need to check the harmonisation issue with my colleagues. There is no doubt that diesel particles must be removed. Even when I lived in Brussels fifteen years ago, it was known that diesel cars were harmful there, so I don't know what Sweden was thinking...
08 April 2018 - 23:20
Helena says:
It sounds great to look at harmonisation! Today it is quite tricky when travelling between countries, and it feels like it is getting trickier and trickier ...
09 April 2018 - 7:27
Leif Strandberg says:
I have been driving HB for 13 years .. and a lot in Europe it has certainly become more complicated with everything..all the fees in different countries..there you can drive..here you cannot drive etc.
We are in the process of complicating this in Sweden as well. Diesel engines were the cleanest 8 to 10 years ago. So we were fooled where.
Of course it has been noted ... motorists will be squeezed.
Politics..taxes..and various environmental requirements..money..money..money..money.
But you can still fly in lamb from New Zealand for Easter.
I went to such a dinner at the home of an active environmentalist at Easter.
Bragging that they were an extra fine lamb from NZ.
What is this environmental hysteria really about (1 degree warmer in 100 years)?
09 April 2018 - 1:18
Mr Håkan Wallen says:
Yes and my wife, who has just retired, were thinking of getting a motorhome so we have been exploring the range of motorhomes and it is a fairly large investment and after everything that now happens with diesel engines, tax, environmental zones and the uncertainty it has created, we have decided to wait with a purchase of a motorhome. We have therefore booked a foreign holiday by plane this spring and it will also be in the autumn.
09 April 2018 - 7:47
Gunnar says:
Only a few years ago, they recommended that you should
Buying diesel cars because it was environmentally friendly now we will be punished for not being able to think properly.
09 April 2018 - 8:29
skirt says:
It is often discussed about dirty vehicles, we who drive motorhomes drive maybe 1000 miles a year, that corresponds to about 4 days of constant driving if the car is running all the time, but forestry machines excavators ships that also run on crude oil they drive pretty much around the clock, people who use the car to work drive about 30 minutes a day, the rest of the time the cars are stationary, I mean it's a storm in a teacup, but it's popular to attack private motoring, but no one seems to think that the taxi that drives someone to work makes twice as many journeys as if the person drove their own car, this is very much the case with politicians,
09 April 2018 - 10:40
Erik says:
"The EU... commonality and equality"
Has there ever been so much diversity before?
09 April 2018 - 10:43
Leif Strandberg says:
Hurray...hurray...Today we have found out that the air in Stockholm is the cleanest since the -60's. I'm sure the environmentalist doesn't want to know about that.
Agree with Kjell that we drive our HB about 1000 miles.
I don't think we HB friends need to break down in some kind of climate anxiety. Enjoy the rolling freedom.
The year is 2018..04..09
09 April 2018 - 19:11
Jay says:
This climate agenda is pretty much a figment of the imagination of the ogrearchs of the world. And they are the ones driving the agenda. Politicians are just puppets of the real power. Just take the hockey stick graph that was supposed to show that it was getting warmer. It was a bluff and they refuse to account for how they arrived at it... Just a bluff! And who sponsors Greta Thunberg? Well if not G. Sorros who then speculates in everything possible... remember when he almost capsized the crown? They are the ones who drive the climate agenda.
And now the increased motorhome tax... They want to crowd cities, congestion charges, car tolls, and soon a CO2 tax on ordinary people. Nope, it's all about the collective having revenue. The individual free individual will be wiped out.
It will be interesting to see what electric motorhomes are actually capable of... I have heard that Hymer, among others, has one in the pipeline.
I wonder what kind of housing on wheels I can afford without being taxed to death and forced into personal bankruptcy.
Vote out Socialism.. but what is the alternative...:(
Despite my bitter motorhome thoughts about environmental taxes etc... Have a good day!
25 October 2019 - 15:22
Per says:
hello
I am new to your blog, which by the way is very good, easy to read and informative.
Perhaps those of you who have travelled a lot can give me some advice. We've driven motorhomes up to 7.8 metres, and only once have we found it to be a bit long, when we had to turn at the campsite to reach the parking space.
We are now looking at a Dethleffs Alpa I7820, which is just over 8.5 metres long.
Do you think it is too big?
We prefer to drive in rural areas in Europe such as France, Croatia, Germany, Austria etc.
12 August 2020 - 16:06
Helena says:
Hi Per! Glad to hear that you appreciate our blog! It's very difficult to answer your question in general, because everyone thinks differently. It's a bit of a matter of taste. Personally, we don't want a motorhome that is longer than 7.3 metres (as our motorhome is), but others enjoy much larger motorhomes! Of course, it's perfectly fine to drive in Europe with an 8.5 metre motorhome, and even bigger than that. We prefer a slightly smaller one because we like to be able to slip down small roads, want to be able to park easily in cities, etc. We think that this freedom of movement is a bit limited when the motorhome is larger. But as I said, it's probably a matter of taste. There are many others who drive larger motorhomes and enjoy it very much.
12 August 2020 - 16:28
Mr Hans says:
Hi!!! The hubby and I are thinking of getting a campervan and travelling around the EU among the vineyards (my wife is a Sommelier) As it is more complicated to travel through different countries with different rules, is there any APP or software that can help to navigate between rules, fees and route suggestions?
Regards
Hans & Anita 🙂
15 February 2021 - 17:03
Helena says:
Hi Hans and Anita! What wonderful plans you have! Of course, there are some complications with driving in Europe (which we highlighted in this post) but mainly it still works well and is relatively smooth! If you choose a motorhome with a maximum of 3.5 tonnes, it will be less to worry about and a little easier than if you choose a larger one (there may be other advantages and disadvantages). Read our post on a checklist for travelling in Europe: https://www.freedomtravel.se/2018/04/checklista-for-bilsemester-bila-i-europa/ This is where we have gathered all our tips for motorhoming/caravanning in Europe. Many GPS devices can also tell you about environmental zones.
16 February 2021 - 8:05