I've wanted to write this post for a long time, but haven't quite had the courage. Because what will happen? It can be seen as a Stockholmers taking a tone and that must not happen, God forbid. Everyone can complain about Stockholmers, but Stockholmers must remain silent. Those are the rules.
Travelling in Sweden as a Stockholm resident
Travelling as a Stockholm resident in Sweden is a bit special. It involves a lot of meetings where you praise other parts of the country, while at the same time you have to take shit from time to time because you happen to live in Stockholm. According to the label, you are not allowed to defend yourself, but only to receive.
I've been thinking about this a lot, and I've realised that I at least need to get this off my chest once and for all. First, I will try to explain what I mean, and I will do so with the help of some examples from our recent travels in Sweden.
A meeting with a couple on a campsite
We met a couple at a campsite, who came from another city in Sweden, and they were both very nice and easy-going. There was a lot of talking and laughing. When they told us where they were from, we were able to say that we had visited their city, which we liked very much. They also had experiences of Stockholm to share. It was not quite as positive.
Stockholm is truly the ugliest city we have ever visited. We've travelled a lot and no other city we've seen can compare to Stockholm in terms of ugliness.
A meeting with South American researchers in Gothenburg
We met them at a dinner after a doctoral graduation in glorious Gothenburg. She was a researcher and he was her partner. They had lived in Sweden for a few years, but they had never been to Stockholm. But they had heard, by Gothenburgers. When we told them we were from Stockholm, they looked at us with pity, as if we had just told them we had an incurable disease.
Oh, it must be so stressful. And people are really unpleasant there, we have heard.
A meeting with a lady in Skåne
We bumped into a nice elderly lady in the neighbourhood. Ystad, when we took shelter under the same tree during a sudden rainstorm. The lady spread joy around her in the rain and we laughed at one thing and another. After a while she asked where we were from and we answered, honestly, that we were from Stockholm. It was almost as if the lady came off, but then she joked it all away.
Well, you can be nice even if you come from Stockholm.
A conversation with a friend at a mingle
We hadn't seen each other for a while and now we met, finally, at an event. Our friend comes from Västerbotten, and we talked about possibly travelling in the northern parts of Sweden. Our friend told us that it can be perceived negatively if we tell people that we are from Stockholm when travelling north, but had a tip for us to protect ourselves, which is based on the fact that I (Helena) grew up in Lund.
You can say that you come from Skåne.
Are Stockholmers unpleasant?
The question, of course, is whether the criticism is justified. That is to say, is Stockholmers unpleasant? According to some non-Stockholm friends we asked, this is de facto the case (although they consider us an exception). We ourselves know lots of nice Stockholmers (and not very many unpleasant ones) so we have some difficulty with that interpretation.
Could it be that you are thinking of a tiny, tiny clique that hangs out at Stureplan and earns lots of money and could possibly be perceived as "stroppy"? If so, we would like to inform you that this group represents a vanishingly small proportion of the two million people who live in Sweden. Stockholm County - rich and poor, suburbanites and islanders, immigrants and the elderly, construction workers, carers, managers, artists, restaurant owners, happy people and bitter ones, single parents, students, the unemployed, nurses and civil servants ...
You know, the way people are most of the time! Some are certainly unpleasant, but we promise, there are many good-hearted, generous and lovely people in this city!
Lie, accept ... or protest?
The question is how to deal with it all. The idea of lying does not appeal to us, even if it would be true to say that I (Helena) come from Skåne originally. The problem is that it feels wrong and sad not to be able to say which city you live in.
What about receiving? Yes, that's what we usually do. We do not claim that we are always very sad. Many people are probably joking. Maybe they don't really mean that badly? But it does feel a bit boring sometimes. So I just wanted to say it. Now that I've said it, I'm ready to take some criticism again, I think.
How do you feel? Do you dislike Stockholmers? Or are you a Stockholmers yourself? If so, are you a stroppy and unpleasant one?
Madeleine Krans says:
I often hear that Stockholm is so big and dangerous that you would never want to live there or let your soon-to-be-adult children go there. As someone who has travelled a lot, it's hard for me to see that... I think Stockholm is a pretty small city. That Stockholmers are unpleasant - well, you have to remember that most people who live here have moved here and often don't know how to behave in a larger city. Maybe you grow up when you move in from the countryside? I was born here, but grew up in southern Norrland. My dialect probably "saves" me, no one thinks I'm a Stockholmian even though I've lived here half my life. But my family are original Stockholmers and very nice.
26 January 2022 - 8:16
Helena says:
Yes, I've heard that too. That it's big and dangerous. Everything is relative of course! Compared to big cities abroad, Stockholm isn't that big, but in a Swedish perspective it's still the biggest city 😉 I had a dialect from the beginning, but I was 14 when I moved to Stockholm and at that age you want to be like everyone else 😉.
26 January 2022 - 8:55
The Dresmteam says:
Great that you bring up the constant abuse that we Stockholmers get everywhere in Sweden!
We (especially I, Gunilla) have heard so many disparaging things about Stockholm and me as a Stockholm resident that I have recently started to snap back with the words "oh, you're xenophobic?". and usually get back a denial and actually sometimes an apology.
No, it is never ok to devalue a person because of their origin from a certain city or town!
I think many people adopt a practice without realising what it can hurt.
Keep up the fight to raise awareness about this 👍.
Hugs to you ❤️
26 January 2022 - 8:21
Helena says:
Glad the post was appreciated! Less fun to hear that you usually happen to the same, although I am not surprised. Yes, even Stockholmers are people who can be hurt, after all 😉.
26 January 2022 - 8:57
Evy Knoph says:
A lot of recognition... from someone who grew up in Stockholm but moved to Gothenburg as a 14-year-old in 1968... was bullied... and over the years has heard a lot of crap about Stockholm, the city in my heart....
I eventually learnt to like Götet, but a thorn remains....
26 January 2022 - 15:39
Mr Thimon says:
You have described it so well.
I lived in Halmstad for four years. I was actually both horrified, surprised and saddened by the image of us Stockholmers. It's incredible that this perception is so prevalent in 2022. It feels like the prejudices come with the mother's milk. If you then meet an unpleasant Stockholmers at some point in your life, your prejudices are confirmed/reinforced. All the nice Stockholmers they meet can never compensate. A prejudice is difficult to reconsider and erase.
26 January 2022 - 8:24
Helena says:
I'm sorry to hear that you encountered this image, although I can't say I'm surprised. As you say, it feels difficult to compensate and influence this negative image.
26 January 2022 - 8:59
Mr Nils-Åke Hansson says:
Our capital is one of the most beautiful cities in the Nordic region.
Stockholmers are smarter than hillbillies. Was it someone who said and teased the rest of Sweden. Of course, it's fun with different stories...
26 January 2022 - 8:36
Helena says:
We also think that Stockholm is a nice city! 🙂 Of course there are people who say idiotic and provocative things ...
26 January 2022 - 9:04
Minette says:
Interesting to read! However, I myself have not experienced anything like this when travelling in Sweden. Then you can discuss what a "Stockholmer" is. Many people, like you (Helena), have moved here from a smaller town. That includes me. When I moved here, I was told by a colleague that you are only a true Stockholmer if your family has lived in Stockholm for three generations. I never asked where she got that from. Or do you have to be born and raised in Stockholm to be considered a Stockholmian? I have no idea.
26 January 2022 - 8:37
Helena says:
Good to hear that you didn't experience this Minett! And yes, what is a Stockholm resident? Well, I've probably also heard such "definitions" sometimes about having lived in a city for at least three generations etc. Personally, I think that everyone who lives in a city belongs there. And it is part of a city that people have mixed origins, I think, it is also part of the city's soul 😉.
26 January 2022 - 9:06
Solan says:
😊 Haha, a great post Helena!
Although also an immigrant, he has lived here for at least 50 years. Tired of prejudices about the city. If I come across some boring bloke spewing bile about the capital, I usually ask where they live. Usually a smaller town/city.
-Ah, that dreary hole, we'll never go back there...once was enough!
Usually works, more energy than that is not worth it! 😉
26 January 2022 - 8:38
Helena says:
Haha, you are tough Solan! But maybe it's the right "medicine" in some situations 😉.
26 January 2022 - 9:07
Marlene says:
Yep! That's how it is, and you've certainly heard this and that. I argue and say that it's a myth, just like the fact that Smålanders are stingy, Scanians are stingy and Norwegians are buttoned up. Then there is usually no more ...
26 January 2022 - 8:47
Helena says:
Yes, it is quite true that there are myths/prejudices about other regions too ... smart to compare! Prejudices are rarely truths ...!
26 January 2022 - 9:09
Ama de casa says:
Talk about prejudice! Scary... Talk about lumping everyone together. I myself have lived in the Stockholm area (Sollentuna) for 25 years, but my Norrland dialect has never completely disappeared, so I've avoided that kind of abuse.
Great route, Helena!
26 January 2022 - 8:55
Helena says:
Hehe, sometimes you have to shout a bit! 😉 Yes, a different dialect might make things different. I moved to Stockholm when I was 14 years old and at that age it's quite easy to adapt the dialect. I can switch to Scanian, but for me it feels most natural to talk like others in Stockholm today ...
26 January 2022 - 9:11
Annar Aas says:
I'm glad you brought up the subject. Some of my best friends are from "the city". Wonderful people, we have gone on ski trips to Austria with a bus full of Stockholmers, lovely and uncomplicated. There is another side of Stockholmers, which we experience around us where we live. The houses are bought up by Stockholmers, the prices are skyrocketing and our children cannot stay because of the price increases. It is of course a problem, around us now live only former Stockholmers, nice and social, we who live there know that, but everyone who lives further away from the water is angry that their children cannot buy a house in the city. A two-bedroom apartment in Stockholm is enough for a farmhouse in Skåne. I think the negative image. As you describe Helena has to do with this. Rich Stockholmers take over houses in beautiful seaside areas. Our neighbours, Stockholmers, are all very nice and beautiful, they have also ensured that our house has doubled its value in a few years. Anyone who knows any Stockholmers knows they are nice people, just like you and Peter....
26 January 2022 - 9:21
Only British says:
This is a problem in many countries. In beautiful Cornwall and Yorkshire, local youth can't buy houses either because rich Londoners make summer houses out of them. Often as an investment to rent out as well. In my favourite film there is the line "We're not from London you know!" when the main characters try to get help from the local farmer.
Likewise in Mallorca where they have had to legislate against Airbnb but not because people come from Madrid but from all over Europe.
26 January 2022 - 11:58
Helena says:
Annar, interesting what you write about Stockholmers buying up houses. Even if far from all Stockholmers have a lot of money, there are of course Stockholmers who do. And I can understand that it affects when houses are bought up, as you describe.
26 January 2022 - 14:54
Isabelle says:
Several things that I think are a bit unfair regarding "Stockholmers buying holiday homes" are that you should perhaps not only blame it on the Stockholmers but on housing policy and fiscal policy. The housing shortage has been created because we have not built enough housing. The high prices favour those who live by the sea and it can't just be Stockholmers who own those houses. Why shouldn't Stockholmers be able to enjoy a house. And isn't it positive that someone is investing in the countryside. We have a fairly large country with many lake plots. Do we want to protect the environment and limit housing construction, or do we want every citizen to have a house with a seaside plot? Sweden's population has grown over time. A bit like the metropolitan perspective in politics and news reporting. Yes, since the majority of citizens live in cities where the jobs in today's society are located, rural policy may not be at the top of the agenda, and it is, after all, the case that the tax distribution in Sweden as a country is quite generous compared to the rest of the world.
31 January 2022 - 14:25
Maria /emjis says:
What a great and thought-provoking post!
We are hillbillies who actually pull Stockholmers over the edge... Except for you! You are nice! No, it's like with ethnic groups that if you've encountered a few bad eggs, you pull everyone over the edge. It must be said, however, that we have met many bad eggs who are not Stockholmers as well. Fortunately, we have met many many more nice people from all parts of our country and other countries! 😉
What Annarass mentions above is one of those things that annoys many people. Prices are pulled up so the domestic population can't stay. Stockholmers buy houses and use them as summer cottages for a short time and then leave them empty. When Stockholmers come for that short time, it's like the city is "theirs". As you wrote: it may be the little clique with the money that doesn't know how to behave... but they are noticeable! At the same time, many small towns come alive in the summer and get most of their annual income thanks to the summer visitors, so...
Another thought that comes to mind is that many decisions that affect the whole of Sweden are made in Stockholm, and that's where the irritation may come from. Decisions that mostly work in Stockholm but not in the countryside. Electric cars and diesel issues that are now on the agenda, for example. I hear many people in the countryside saying that this is typical of Stockholmers. Those who have no choice but diesel for machines.
News reporting is also a contributing factor to the bias in different parts of the country. "Snow in Stockholm - chaos! Snow in Norrland - ice cream. Malmö is just a bunch of people shooting and blowing up... Country folk with distinct dialects that you can laugh at..." But the truth is more nuanced than that!
That's an interesting thought and reflection you bring up! Good topic for discussion! At the end of the day, we are all human. Wishing everyone a nice week!
26 January 2022 - 10:21
Only British says:
Really. When you leave Stockholm, you realise that news reporting is skewed. Malmö has been "Sweden's Chicago" for a long time, but it's almost nice to be able to read about problems in Stockholm in recent years as well, because the reporting went completely out of control for a while and has unfortunately labelled Malmö. Nobody explains that the geography is completely different. Malmö does not have suburbs with large forest areas in between, everything is visible.
The reporting also differs in that if the fire is in Stockholm, the address is given. If there are fires in other places, no details are given and in small municipalities only the name of the municipality is given. Very large areas are described as burning in Nyköping or Västervik when it is burning in Bettna and Överum far away.
26 January 2022 - 12:08
Maria /emjis says:
I really had preconceived notions about Malmö and was afraid to even go near it. Guess I was pleasantly surprised when we found large parts of Malmö so beautiful and during the years we lived near the city, everything that was said on TV happened in one small spot! The rest of Malmö is both nice and beautiful and I never felt afraid!
This applies everywhere. There are riots in Gothenburg... in a few blocks...
Even in the countryside there are prejudices between villages!
26 January 2022 - 14:43
Helena says:
Maria, thank you for your views and comments! As you and others write, there are certainly several explanations at the bottom, such as the fact that some Stockholmers buy up houses and that politics and news too often focus on Stockholm. I can understand that it is frustrating! Broadening the focus of politics and news should definitely be important! But for that matter, we people who live in the country should be able to meet in a respectful way, no matter which city you happen to live in 😉.
26 January 2022 - 15:02
Maria /emjis says:
Totally agree! A smile is contagious! A kind word. Respect!
26 January 2022 - 15:38
Daniel on Flying Dryden says:
Great! I have no problem with people as long as they are nice. Where they come from doesn't matter and everyone has their own story. Asshats are everywhere and we have some here on Frösön who insist on walking their dogs on our farm - and just think, they probably think I'm also unpleasant for pointing it out when I see them. An unpleasant Dalmatian who has found his way to Jämtland. What the hell?!
I've liked Stockholm since I was little, but I have to admit that I had some problems with the city for a few years, a few years ago. I think it was mostly due to work trips and that I actually only saw the stressful metro and rather boring Sumpan. It has thankfully turned and now there will be new work trips down in the spring - which I am looking forward to. And we must make sure to have a meetup then, right? 🙂
26 January 2022 - 10:56
Helena says:
Yes, but there are both nice and unpleasant people everywhere!!! Nice to hear that your feeling for Stockholm turned to the positive again! Meetup would be nice! 🙂
26 January 2022 - 15:08
JoY says:
What you write is very interesting, and of course we have heard some strange things. That people are stressed and the traffic is terrible, everything goes so fast, that Stockholmers are arrogant and stubborn. etc. That the traffic is fast, I can also agree to some extent, but then Stockholm's population is many more and cars as well. Never heard that Stockholm is the ugliest city, on the contrary.
When I was a child and my parents bought a country estate outside Uppsala and built a tiny house. We were called Stockholmaren or 08:an by the farmers, who had also sold the land to us and we were allowed to buy both eggs and milk from them and play together with their children. It was really that we did not really belong there and instead of using our name, it became Stockholmaren or 08:an.
It's a funny thing about where you come from. and live. If we are travelling around Sweden and say that we are from Stockholm, I can sometimes experience that people get a different look and look at you almost a bit sadly, like: poor you have to live there. If we tell people that Jakob comes from Switzerland and has settled here, it's immediately different. Sometimes I say that we live just outside and that it takes about 15 minutes by bus to the city centre. Then there are no direct comments or questions.
However, when we are abroad, we say Stockholm and people get curious and ask.
But despite that, I grew up in Stockholm, also not so far from snobbish Stureplan hahaha Wonder how stroppy and unpleasant I am then hahaha
Have a good week
26 January 2022 - 11:36
Helena says:
I recognise the fact that people look at you sadly when you say you come from Stockholm! Always feels just as strange ... I can understand that Switzerland arouses interest! And of course you do not have to be stroppy because you come from Stureplan !!!! 🙂
26 January 2022 - 15:11
Only British says:
Gothenburgers will never change. The "second city complex" can also be seen in Italy, for example. I was born in Stockholm and had a cottage in Sörmland and had problems moving to Gothenburg when I was ten years old, even though I moved from Småland. Not that I was attacked personally, but everywhere I went I heard the bullshit about Stockholm and "the best train journey is the one away from Stockholm". At the same time, many had zero knowledge of the rest of Sweden's geography beyond the coast around them and Sälen where they went skiing, it seemed to me. I love Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö but in completely different ways and for different reasons. Old Stockholmers have an incredible sense of humour that is not always visible, Gothenburgers bring so much energy to everything they do and Malmö has a truly unique atmosphere that is hard to explain. Happy to have lived in all three.
Negatives can be found in all of them. In Stockholm, it's the stress in the metro that I don't understand. Copenhagen is just as big without the stress and whining (although there they do scold each other on the cycle paths).
26 January 2022 - 12:22
Helena says:
Thank you for your reflection! All cities have both positives and negatives. We like both Stockholm and Gothenburg very much, in different ways, although we have been much less in Gothenburg. Malmö we are curious about and hope to experience during some weekend trip or similar, or with the motorhome perhaps, but we did not have time the last time we were in Skåne (because we expect that a big city like Malmö needs a little more time).
26 January 2022 - 15:15
Carina says:
Wow, I recognise what you describe here. I myself am from Gävle and my husband is from Ale municipality just north of Gbg, We lived in Gbg many years and heaven what contempt there is for Stockholm and its inhabitants. None of them can say exactly WHAT is so disturbed but they know how bad it is even though they never set foot there. We are almost ridiculed when we tell them that we both love our beautiful capital city and all it has to offer. Last summer, we visited my husband's relatives who have managed to avoid visiting Sthlm even though they are in their 70s. Imagine what they miss out on because of preconceived notions. To live in the country Sweden and refuse to see our capital, for me completely unimaginable. I feel that it is worst in Gbg and the surrounding area, perhaps a little "big brother complex". Do not live in Sthlm but are so grateful that we have the proximity so we can go there as often as the desire falls on..... and it often does 🙂.
26 January 2022 - 12:26
Helena says:
Wow! Thank you for your comment! It feels a little sad that it should be like that, I think. We like Gothenburgers as well ... Gothenburg we would also like to see more of, if we now dare to go there 😉.
26 January 2022 - 15:22
Annika in Spain says:
Great post! Speak up when you get unpleasant comments!
26 January 2022 - 12:36
Helena says:
🙂
26 January 2022 - 15:22
bmlarstravellingblog says:
Good and thoughtful post and many worthwhile comments! I don't think we've ever thought along those lines, but rather that there are bad eggs and nice people in all places.
Then we can probably agree with Maria that things can certainly go wrong when decisions are made in Stockholm that apply to the whole country, including large sparsely populated areas. Then we can understand the contradictions that arise....
Thank goodness we are different and want to live in different places, what a shame it would be if we were all cast in the same mould...
26 January 2022 - 13:46
Maria /emjis says:
Yes, how crowded it would be in Skaraborg and Falbygden otherwise!!! 😉
26 January 2022 - 14:35
Helena says:
BM and Lars, yes, these are interesting and thought-provoking comments! Sooo interesting to read! I completely agree that there are both nice and unpleasant people in all places. Then there are clearly things that can be better when it comes to politics and decisions, so it is not a Stockholm focus when it should not be.
26 January 2022 - 15:26
OJ says:
Interesting. I both agree and disagree. Of course there are bad eggs everywhere and so are nice people. However, I can understand where all this comes from.
I grew up in a sparsely populated area in Lapland. I moved around a lot in Norrland, lived in Stockholm for 3 years, Skåne and have also lived abroad in big cities in Europe. The place where I have felt least at home, least seen, least heard, least respected, least taken seriously, least understood, has been in Stockholm. Not all the time and by everyone, of course, but by far the most times... It is a feeling of bullying, which comes from everything from the looks you get, the way you are addressed, the looks you don't get when you are expected to get them, sentences, pronunciations, questions, lack of interest, ignorance, unwillingness to learn, the way you answer, etc. I have never felt so empty and misunderstood as during the 3 years in Stockholm. All this is also in the media and in political decisions.
I think it is based on a norm, the urban norm if you want to call it that. Where Stockholm is the norm and anything outside of it is considered deviant.
Domestic activists describe it all so well:
"Norms govern society and the urban norm is about how places, and thus the people who live and work in those places, are valued differently. The urban norm is constantly present throughout the entire social apparatus, from the national to the super-local level, in politics, the media and between people.
The urban norm is about power structures in which the city has the right of interpretation, acts as a starting point and is seen as desirable. As a result, everything 'outside' the city is seen as peripheral, deviant and less valuable. It is the urban norm that labels rural areas as depopulated, welfare-dependent, backward and wasteful. At the same time, the city is characterised as innovative, inclusive, diversity-enriched and a place for investment. This needs to change as the urban norm:
* creates an untrue picture of society
* negatively affects people's self-image and self-esteem.
* prevents (usually public) investment where it is most needed.
* subsidises the city's unsustainable way of life and construction"
It is this that we see in the looks and speech and behaviour that we see får👆🏼
So it has absolutely nothing to do with a small clique of Stureplans people, it's bigger than that.
I apologise if this became negative towards Stockholm again, but would like to explain from the other side, where it may have originated from. It's sad to read about the different occasions and people you encountered through your travels in the country. I am sure you are nice, it sounds so:)
But just as you have encountered prejudice because you happen to be from Stockholm, we northerners have been subjected to exactly the same thing day in and day out for decades and decades. I can probably list a hundred or so just off the top of my head.
Let me give you a few examples:
My husband and I were living in Stockholm, without children and all the trappings of fatherhood. One rainy November evening we were out with some friends, going from one pub to another with a group of like-minded Stockholmers. We were open-minded and talked happily, whereupon one of them asked me where I was from. -From a village in Lapland, I reply.
He backs away and quickly replies: -Oh, shit! Isn't it just sickly dark there? He gives me a look of disgust and looks sceptical. - No, I reply, why would it be, there's snow there now. But here it's really dark, I say. He gives me an even stranger look and starts talking to his own mate instead.
Or the office I worked at in Stockholm. A 57-year-old eloquent and sophisticated lady in the office had received some brochures from Kiruna because a large conference was to be organised. The woman was good at her job and a nice lady. Over coffee, she takes out the brochures and turns her gaze to me and asks: -You who come from Norrland, what is it like in Kiruna? You know people there, don't you?
I don't understand the question at first and say: - No, I was in Kiruna once when I was 12 years old, otherwise I don't know any more about Kiruna than you do. It's just as far from Kiruna to my village as it is from here to Gothenburg.
She rolled her eyes and said nothing more to me.
Or the time I came to work in Stockholm and pointed out the beautiful autumn colours of all the trees. A colleague snidely replies: -Ha, who has time to look at trees! I'm too busy looking down at my new leather boots, ha ha, and laughs derisively at me and the northerner who would rather care about nature than new boots.
Or all the times you smiled and tried to open a conversation on the metro. Murderous glances back.
Or if you defied the right-hand traffic rule on the escalator. Looks, sighs, stamping feet - Oh, move over, you bloody country bumpkin!
Or all the countless times you have been asked - But WHY do you want to live in Norrland? Here in Stockholm there is everything!
What all? I reply...
Or - Stockholm has everything you need!
Well...I certainly don't answer that, how can you know what I need?
Or -You can't move back to Norrland, you want to give your children a future, right?
Yes, that's exactly what we want, I said.
Or how, since the 80s, the weather report has been shown on TV from the bottom up. Always starting in southern Sweden and quickly sweeping over the "northern part". Why? Everywhere else you start from the top and go down....
Or how, for example, gardening magazines thunder out articles in February - Now it's time to rake the lawn! Well, why then, there are about 3 months of snow left... I once emailed and asked why they never started in the north. I got the answer that we in the north could then look up older articles when they became relevant to us.
Hm... what about what is considered the norm again?
Or the billions and billions of dollars that have been poured into the hinterland of Norrland because Stockholm needs fast trains and new roads.
Or how my village still doesn't have broadband after 7 years of struggle... takes 1.5 days to fix in Stockholm....
You talk about how you can't defend yourself, you can only receive, or should you protest?
Yes, ask any Norwegian how much shit we have had to "receive" throughout history! Ask any Sami. Ask any hillbilly. We have protested and protested, but inevitably...
All in favour of the big city.
Too bad, but now you got the other side of the explanation 🧡.
26 January 2022 - 15:37
Helena says:
JO, thank you so much for your long and well-written comment! We are delighted, because we love that there is such a nice climate among everyone who writes and comments here. Even when someone has a different opinion, or wants to explain from a different perspective, it is done well and with a feeling that feels constructive!
Very sad to hear that you have not experienced a good treatment in Stockholm! As you describe, there are certainly many explanations for why resistance has arisen! Sad! What we think about is how to achieve better tolerance and acceptance of each other as human beings. We sometimes talk about the treatment of immigrants, but imagine that there are such strong contradictions and feelings only within our own country!!! Surely we people from different parts of the country should be able to travel around and visit each other without being met with a patronising attitude, regardless of whether you come from the countryside or the big city?
26 January 2022 - 16:26
Birgitta says:
I am a Stockholmian in the diaspora! Moved as a 9-year-old from Stockholm to Gothenburg of all places😱 . Violently bullied at school because of my dialect by 9-year-olds who must have learnt to hate Stockholmers from their parents... I have lived in Gothenburg for 66 years and have never enjoyed it. Gothenburgers have poor self-confidence and this manifests itself in always having something derogatory to say about other cities. Stockholm is a fantastically beautiful city with nice and quick-thinking inhabitants. When I come to Sthlm it is bright and friendly with real seasons, not like Gothenburg where it just rains... Most Stockholmers also come from other parts of Sweden. So stretch yourself and enjoy living in one of the most beautiful capitals in the world!
26 January 2022 - 15:52
OJ says:
So interesting how relative everything is. During my years in Stockholm I didn't experience any real seasons... just rain and slush, much like my years in Skåne, but there was a bit more fog...
26 January 2022 - 16:17
Helena says:
Birgitta, yes, it is true that many people living in Stockholm originally come from somewhere else! The big city is a mix of people with different backgrounds, and it's easy to see that if you ask.
26 January 2022 - 16:28
Ditte says:
Very interesting post and great that you / you take up this. I thought about it for a while when I read it (I have lived here in the city for 21 years, in Solna for 10 years and in Upplands Väsby for 32 years, so I probably count myself as "Stockholmers". )But I haven't come across this idea of not liking Stockholmers so far. I travel a lot in my job as a guide/tour leader within the country and also some privately and have met many people who are not from Stockholm. But no one has brought up the issue of Stockholmers being stubborn. Thinking again, No, haven't heard that.
But here in the city, as elsewhere in the country, there are those who are less nice. Absolutely! I move around the city every day, on buses and subways, and I think the atmosphere is generally good.
Many people who live here and in other parts of the country and do not know either Malmö or Gothenburg very well can feel insecure just by mentioning those names. There are so many prejudices floating around.
Then I think of all the tourists, both Swedish, from Europe and all over the world, who come here with pleasure and return. And of course there is a reason. Stockholm is a fantastic city in every way.
26 January 2022 - 16:14
Helena says:
It's good that you didn't have to deal with the fact that people don't like the Stockhomers!!! But of course there are prejudices, in all directions.
27 January 2022 - 7:55
BP says:
Well written Helena! It is clear that your post touches. You have not received so many comments for a long time;-)
There is a certain "rivalry" between Stockholm and Gothenburg. I've had several colleagues who worked from offices in Gothenburg and they didn't have very nice things to say about us. We were snotty, not helpful and arrogant at that. Like you, I've been told that "you're not a normal nobody, you're actually helping out".
I think that most people who have such preconceived notions about us Stockholmers have watched the capital on TV and thus mostly seen Stureplan with the Brats and Spy Bar as well as immigrant-dense suburbs. Because immigrants are even worse than Stockholmers ...
Even if you don't like Stockholmers, you should still be able to distinguish between people and the city itself. Because Stockholm is one of the most beautiful cities in the world, both in summer and winter.
Superbly written!!!
26 January 2022 - 20:19
Helena says:
Glad you liked the post! And yes, it was clear that we met something that many people have opinions and thoughts about, whether they agree or have different views and experiences!
27 January 2022 - 7:57
Monica says:
Very good post and preciiiis so there it is. I am a Stockholm resident on my mother's side for five generations but have lived here for "only" 41 years.
And my opinion is that Stockholmers, real ones, haha, are the nicest people around, helpful, suddenly they rush out from Östermalm and help, we were really looking for something. Yes, they were real Stockholmers.
And we bought cars from genuine southerners, what a nice man and genuine southerners hardly exist anymore as he himself said. So helpful in every way because the old car would absolutely be scrapped in a special place far away after the car brand, it had been involved in a woman's mobile phone chat that drove straight into it. Don't think she was from Stockholm ...
So I think all that talk is when they have met newcomers, I don't know where from;-) but they try to speak Stockholmska after a week, work in a café and are insanely annoying.
Yes, I do include you as Stockholmers anyway, and those nice ones:-), Peter has lived close by and you both for quite a long time even if it is not those generations, five I have learnt.
Our best friends are true Stockholmers and are so nice and helpful and interested in the world around them. And they never ever nag others about where they come from, neither do we, you hang out with people who know how to behave.
When I was in Gothenburg, my ears almost fall off at all the comparisons, nagging, if we are in a café, museum, nice park, they want to know if it is as good as in Stockholm because they are number two that a certain prince is nagging about too. At first I did not understand what they meant, was so interested in discovering but when I shopped in a fun store so nice sweater, the question was still whether it was possible to wear it, was not Stockholm. And in all seriousness. Started to think there was something wrong in their heads.
However, I was at the Nordic conference in cancer diagnostics in Borås and help so nice they were all and very professionally organised by the hosts. Unfortunately, we had to take the detour via Gothenburg home due to broken connections.
On the other hand, we have almost no real Stockholmers as neighbours and help what annoying and strange, could mention a couple of landscapes but refrain.
We ourselves are also incredibly nice and caring, well-mannered and polite.
And I suspect that you have had enough and think it was good that you wrote. I don't say anything either, but perhaps I should, as someone wrote here that they did.
I'm both surprised and uncomfortable when I ask in the countryside who bought the vacant holiday home and an 85-year-old screams: "It's some bloody Stockholmers", it turns out to be a couple that she visits in her illnesses in their professions, probably at least once a week.
People are crazy and we are fully accepted because I have ties to the area and have also helped people there, so they share everything with me. But it is strange how Swedes are against Swedes. No wonder immigrants stick together.
27 January 2022 - 21:58
Helena says:
Of course there are many nice Stockholmers!!! Peter was born in the centre of Stockholm and perhaps has several generations from here as well, but I myself am definitely an immigrant. But I think it belongs to a big city (if you can count Stockholm as such ;)) that there is a mix of people with different backgrounds. By all means, I'm proud to be from Skåne, but I live in Stockholm and want to be able to say that without the atmosphere getting weird. Thank you for your comment!!!
31 January 2022 - 17:55
Eva says:
I was born and raised in Sthlm. Moved in 2002 to my husband's hometown Eskilstuna. The first years I answered Stockholm when people asked where I was from. Over time, I chose to answer Hällby (the place we moved to when we came from Sthlm). It was miles between the tone of people's voices.
I have now lived in E-tuna for 20 years. Rarely does anyone ask me where I'm from, but when they do and I say Stockholm, I get "ah...I heard that" but in a more cheerful and light-hearted tone. Either people have become nicer or my Stockholm accent has become less prominent.
Wow, how crazy this was. I love Eskilstuna and never miss Stockholm.... except when I roll over one of the bridges and realise that I miss the light, sound and pulse. Stockholm is the best. I would like to say that those who do not agree do not know what they are talking about. 😉
29 January 2022 - 19:04
Helena says:
But isn't it strange that there should be a different tone in the voice!!!? However, nice to hear that it has improved! Thanks for your comment!
31 January 2022 - 17:56
Isabelle says:
I think there are cultural differences between Stockholm and other parts of Sweden. Like between London and Scotland or Paris and Brittany. The pace in Stockholm is much faster than in Skåne, Kalmar or Örebro. Stockholmers are a little less shy, maybe a little more educated because Stockholm is a university city. Used to moving around anonymously in a big city where you can't know everyone, but have the habit of greeting and chatting. A bit more straightforward and less afraid of conflict. You don't know anything about golf (as in Skåne) or about the forest (as in Västergötland) or about gardening as in Kalmar because Stockholmers don't live in houses but in flats and therefore have no pets. Often eat out in restaurants instead of tinkering with the car because they may not even own a car. May have cleaning help for the small apartment and are not very practical but may have expertise and extensive work experience. And if you don't have a house to renovate, you might be travelling to Italy and the Alps instead. The prejudice probably exists because there is a grain of truth in the fact that everyday life is different in different parts of the country. Suits instead of wellies. A manicure instead of homemade buns. I worked in several different places in Sweden and I definitely noticed the prejudice when I worked outside Stockholm. I noticed it most when I worked in Skåne, but I still enjoyed it and didn't take it too seriously. And I myself have prejudices about people from Skåne that are partly true and partly unfounded.
31 January 2022 - 13:44
Helena says:
So true, and well described! There are certainly cultural differences and the conditions are, as you say, different. But despite that we should be able to respect each other, I think. And of course many people do! But it's that when someone says something negative, it takes a lot to make up for it 😉.
31 January 2022 - 17:59